Volume the Second (My version starts over again numbering the chapters from one as the volume changes)
Grace brought up an interesting question about Austen’s books being published anonymously, but not in a male or gender netural way. This site speculates, “Walter Scott published anonymously (most women did not), so maybe Jane Austen took her cue from that quarter - I simply don't know. She published under the title "by a Lady". That was always curious to me because I thought that the word "Lady" meant a little something different then. I think I am right about that because if you read about the guesses her contemporaries made about the authorship of the novels, you will find that the speculations most often centered upon women of the aristocracy.” Other references just simply say, “as was the custom."
Questions:
1) We are introduced to Jane Fairfax in Chapter II. We learn, “Emma was sorry;—to have to pay civilities to a person she did not like through three long months!—to be always doing more than she wished, and less than she ought! Why she did not like Jane Fairfax might be a difficult question to answer; Mr. Knightley had once told her it was because she saw in her the really accomplished young woman, which she wanted to be thought herself; and though the accusation had been eagerly refuted at the time, there were moments of self-examination in which her conscience could not quite acquit her. But "she could never get acquainted with her: she did not know how it was, but there was such coldness and reserve—such apparent indifference whether she pleased or not—and then, her aunt was such an eternal talker!—and she was made such a fuss with by every body!—and it had been always imagined that they were to be so intimate—because their ages were the same, every body had supposed they must be so fond of each other." These were her reasons—she had no better. (page 150 in my version) Why do you think that Emma doesn’t like Jane? How is Jane portrayed throughout this section, and what do their interactions say about the character of Emma? How do they impact the plot?
2) Frank Churchill travels to London in Chapter 7 to have his hair cut. Emma, who had set her hopes on Frank, “moralises” in Chapter 8: "I do not know whether it ought to be so, but certainly silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. Wickedness is always wickedness, but folly is not always folly.—It depends upon the character of those who handle it. Mr. Knightley, he is not a trifling, silly young man. If he were, he would have done this differently. He would either have gloried in the achievement, or been ashamed of it. There would have been either the ostentation of a coxcomb, or the evasions of a mind too weak to defend its own vanities.—No, I am perfectly sure that he is not trifling or silly." (page 192) What do you think of the character of Frank? Is Emma’s assessment true of him? Is he a good match for Emma?
3) In Chapter 11, a dance is proposed. What did you think of Mr. Woodhouse’s objection to having a dance? What do these plans say about the character of Emma, of those in her social circle, and of the town that she lives in?
4) After professing his love for Emma, and rebuffing Harriet, Mr. Eton is quickly married. In Chapter 15, we get to know the new Mrs. Eton. What do you think of her character? What is your assessment of Emma’s reaction to the character? And, how does Jane Fairfax fit into this?
5) In Chapter 17, Austen has Jane looking for employment
"Excuse me, ma'am, but this is by no means my intention; I make no inquiry myself, and should be sorry to have any made by my friends. When I am quite determined as to the time, I am not at all afraid of being long unemployed. There are places in town, offices, where inquiry would soon produce something—Offices for the sale—not quite of human flesh—but of human intellect."
"Oh! my dear, human flesh! You quite shock me; if you mean a fling at the slave-trade, I assure you Mr. Suckling was always rather a friend to the abolition."
"I did not mean, I was not thinking of the slave-trade," replied Jane; "governess-trade, I assure you, was all that I had in view; widely different certainly as to the guilt of those who carry it on; but as to the greater misery of the victims, I do not know where it lies. But I only mean to say that there are advertising offices, and that by applying to them I should have no doubt of very soon meeting with something that would do." (pg 269-70)
What is Austen saying about the role of women in English society, of employment, and of being a governess?
(quotations copied from Emma online)
11 Comments:
I think Emma doesn't like Jane because Jane is genuinely accomplished whereas Emma is a dabbler. She's aware, perhaps a little guiltily, that with far fewer advantages Jane has achieved much more. She would perhaps have liked to help Jane the way she 'helps' Harriet and suspects Jane could actually help her! Hard to answer without producing a spoiler! I can say though that even on my first reading I didn't think Frank was a good match for Emma. They have too much in common and unfortunately it's all their immaturities. I thought Mr Woodhouse's objections well in character for someone who thinks eating wedding cake is unhealthy! I felt sorry for Emma regarding the dance. I think in Jane's other novels the Bennet sisters are the only ones who attend dances regularly and, apart from Catherine Morland, are the only ones who seem to want to (Anne, Fanny, Elinor and even Marianne are happier with books and country walks) and so there was some pathos in the picture of wealthy Emma so happy and excited about a ball in a village inn. I guess it says a lot about what money can't buy – companionship. Emma is the most solitary of Jane Austen's heroines. Longbourn, Kellynch, Barton, etc, all have sizeable communities around them for the principal families to associate with (remember Mrs Bennet's remark about dining with four and twenty families) but Emma is almost utterly alone and the irony is that nowadays she'd be going to work in London every morning yet in her day London might as well have been Paris in terms of travel and convenience. Mrs Elton is dreadful. She's the opposite of Jane Fairfax in that she has money and no real virtue but, on the other hand, she's probably terrified of Emma and the “old money” she has to hold her own against; I think she does her best with what she's got but she's never going to improve. Another irony – Mrs Elton is what Emma has been pretending the Coles are in her snobbishness, Mrs Elton is nouveau-riche and vulgar. The Coles genuinely don't seem to be. Frighteningly Jane Austen, at least through, Jane Fairfax compares the life of the poor but educated woman (herself in slightly different circumstances – without rich relations Jane would have been Jane) to slavery. And, perhaps, in terms of choice it wasn't so different. A woman who left her 'situation' regardless of the reason could so easily end up in a poorhouse or in prostitution.
Sorry for my comment not having para breaks - due to the unfortunate collision of a cat and a glass of water I no longer have a working return key!
Oh, Margaret- I totally understand the cat + water incident. We’ve had similar ones here, it made me grin!
Jane Fairfax I kept reading this trying to figure out why Emma dislikes her so – and I agree with Margaret, Jane’s fault is being what Emma knows in her heart she should be.
What do you think of the character of Frank? Is Emma’s assessment true of him? Is he a good match for Emma? I think Frank is quite flighty and irresponsible. I think that Emma likes the idea of a match with Frank, because his story strikes her as romantic, and she likes her former governess. I don’t think that she is able to assess his personality honestly because she is trying so hard to make him “fit” as her beau.
What did you think of Mr. Woodhouse’s objection to having a dance? What do these plans say about the character of Emma, of those in her social circle, and of the town that she lives in? Mr. Woodhouse cracked me up – he’s such a fretter. Giggle. It really struck me how small and shabby the town that Emma lives in is – and as someone who grew up in a rural town without a big social life, I could relate. I think it speaks to the fact that there was a past glory at one town, and Austen is drawing the comparison with the landed gentry class that the characters of her novel represent.
What do you think of her character? What is your assessment of Emma’s reaction to the character? And, how does Jane Fairfax fit into this? I agree that the new Mrs. Eaton definitely married up, and shows it through her etiquette gaffes. Emma certainly has no patience for the gaffes, and her self-absorption shows in her reaction. And, of course, Jane gets along fine with her, which drives Emma up the wall.
What is Austen saying about the role of women in English society, of employment, and of being a governess? I think this is the first time we’ve seen Austen make a social commentary of this type in the novel, and it is very interesting. I also think it reminds us of similar points made in “Little Women”. Jane is in a situation where the only way to make a living is to be a governess and the class differences between Emma and Jane are highlighted in this scene.
Jane Fairfax - I think Emma felt threatened by her and felt jealous of her accomplishments despite her lower status. I also think Mr. Knightly thinking highly of her rubbed Emma the wrong way, but even Emma couldn't understand why.
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MIGHT BE A SMALL SPOILER HERE:
After watching Clueless I knew that Frank was an ill-match but even so, you could understand why Emma would be intrigued by him. I think his relation to her dear "poor Miss Taylor" piqued her interest as well. He indeed seems rather flighty and silly with the hair cut incident. I wasn't sure where this character was going though because the Frank from Clueless went in a direction I knew Austen would never take. I was stumped.
The Dance and Mr. Woodhouse - I think he is so funny. I love how everyone just puts up with him, irritated but lovingly. You do get the feel that the town is not much for society life, and with Mr. Woodhouse and his daughter at the top, what could one expect?
Mrs. Elton - Ugh! You really start to sympathize with Emma when you read about Mrs. Elton. She is so unbearable.
Women's roles/Jane's situation:
Yes, this was definitely a statement about women's roles and fates in society. It envokes quite a lot of sympathy for Jane, and you can't help but hope something better happens to her.
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Mimi,
I won't be able to participate in this readalong at this time. For some reason I felt compelled to tell you that I won't be joining in.
Peace,
T.G.W.
TGW - I totally understand, and appreciate you letting me know. Hugs.
1)Emma's definitely jealous of Jane, and she feels guilty about not being nicer to her. I think she serves to expose some of Emma's flaws, and also helps the reader to figure out that Emma is interested in Mr. Knightly before Emma knows it herself.
2) This is such a totally bizarre plot point on face value, that I think it serves to make you think Frank is up to something. Traveling to London for a haircut just seems too unlikely. I think that Frank seems like a fairly likable guy who's lacking in maturity. I think Margaret's spot on about Frank and Emma being too alike to be a good fit. Lauren S.--yes the Frank character in Clueless is one of the biggest departures from the Emma plot-line. :)
3) My assessment of Mr. Woodhouse is that today he'd be perceived as an agoraphobic hypochondriac. He's extremely uncomfortable with change, not having things under his control, being away from home, and anything percieved as unhealthy, so the idea of a dance just chills his marrow. I think the whole dance storyline thing does reflect how narrow Emma's life is, and how much it is shaped by her father foibles.
4). It's rather shocking that Austen compares the life of a governess to slavery. As confining and difficult a life as it must have been, it's hard to see it in the same light as slavery. I couldn't help but wince at that. It seemed really melodramatic. For those women that do end up in prostitution or the poorhouse the analogy would be more reasonable, but it seems even a strident feminist should have a hard time equating governesses with slaves.
1.Why do you think that Emma doesn’t like Jane? How is Jane portrayed throughout this section, and what do their interactions say about the character of Emma? How do they impact the plot?
As has been mentioned, because jane is more accomplished, with fewer resources. Also let's face it, no one likes someone held up as the ideal. And Emma had different talents to be sure. Her people skills, despite her blunders, are superb. She handles her father, and all the other eccentric characters well, she enjoys people, she isn't an introvert, but accepts the ones who are, and so on. So part of it might have to do with self-acceptance too, and not just feeling judged or guilty that she is not meeting Miss Bates et al's standards of Jane Fairfax.
Also, Miss Fairfax is somewhat of a plumbline. As she and Emma get closer, or Emma acquires some of her traits, it is used a sign that Emma is maturing without beating us over the head with the fact.
2. What do you think of the character of Frank? Is Emma’s assessment true of him? Is he a good match for Emma?
Weak character. Good match for Emma because they are both "lively" and like people, but I do not think Emma respects him, they would have a better sibling relationship. But goodness, he was the first new person in ages in their circle, and the right age, and right gender...it was only to be expected.
3) In Chapter 11, a dance is proposed. What did you think of Mr. Woodhouse’s objection to having a dance? What do these plans say about the character of Emma, of those in her social circle, and of the town that she lives in?
Probably the first time that poor old Mr. Woodhouse got on my nerves. His eternal dithering about the dance and the drafts , etc. drove me crazy....so I'm not nearly as nice as Emma and Miss Taylor, am I? I do think that the elderly (males anyway) were held in higher esteem than now, cause we'd just override him as a hypochondriacal fuddy-duddy.
4) After professing his love for Emma, and rebuffing Harriet, Mr. Eton is quickly married. In Chapter 15, we get to know the new Mrs. Eton. What do you think of her character? What is your assessment of Emma’s reaction to the character? And, how does Jane Fairfax fit into this?
She's clearly dreadful. And I am not sure why Jane allowed herself to be drawn into the circle. Perhaps to aahve something to do? It was also kind of a "trick" to play on Emma, since THIS was her replacement!!
5.What is Austen saying about the role of women in English society, of employment, and of being a governess?
That it was a fate worth than death? Clearly she didn't think much of the prospect, not sure why, Jane Eyre came much later LOL. But yes, indepednently wealthy, married or a governess was about the best one could do without actually working as a dressmaker or something.
Whew, now I'm caught up!! I know y'all have been waiting with bated breath on my insights!!
Ohhh, see, there is a penalty to pay for not keeping up with blogging. I would have loved to participate in these questions. I read Emma years ago but not recently enough. I love Jan Austen. Maybe I'll try to catch up.
I'm hopelessly late, but here's all I have to add:
1 - Jane Fairfax. As everyone says, there has to be an aspect of jealousy in Emma's coldness toward her. But also, Jane's character isn't very easy, I think, for readers to warm up to, either. It's not just that she seems too perfect, she also seems a little false. She's a terribly passive person -- why not walk away from Mrs. Elton's insufferable monologuing?? -- but there's a strong whiff of passive aggression in it. For those who know how everything winds up, we have an idea why it is that she really doesn't want Mrs. Elton to try to find her a governess position. In spite of appearing quite humbled in everyone's eyes, she is keeping a secret, and one that allows her to think that she will have the last laugh. In short, I think Emma might actually be onto something here.
2 - Frank Churchill and the Scandalous Haircut Incident -- everyone said it best: flighty, shallow, self-centered ... just like Emma. Only thing I'll add here is that I wondered if we were supposed to conclude, once the book wraps up, that the haircut was just an excuse by Frank to get out of town. Remember that it's not long after that that the mysterious pianoforte arrives.
3 - Mr. Woodhouse -- He is always written for comic relief, it seems. But in real life ... oy! Neurotic, whiny, self-centered. Ugh!
4 - Mrs. Elton -- Is there ANYTHING about her that isn't awful? I can't think of a single one. It says all that we need to know about Mr. Elton that he would be willing to be saddled with such an empty-headed, posturing motormouth, just to (a) assuage his pride over the whole thing with Emma and (b) improve his own social standing.
As far as what we get from Mrs. Elton and Jane, as I said, I think there's evidence here that Jane is too passive. But I'll continue the thought below.
5 - Governess = slavery -- I don't think that anyone living now has to feel like that's a slap to teachers or home-schoolers, but I think it is, as Mimi says, one of the rare bits of social commentary in Austen books. Women didn't have a lot of options. An intelligent, well-educated woman really didn't have many options, which I think is why education for women was so discouraged for so long.
In Jane's case, though, this declaration eventually rings a little false. (BIG Spoiler coming) If you know the ending, you know that she's living all this time knowing that she's secretly engaged to Frank and that the hoped-for destiny (which comes about) is to be the wife of a wealthy man. So all she's trying to do is stall everyone until Frank's aunt dies! And for someone in that position to rant about the unfairness of things and the slavery of being a governess seems disingenuous. She may be right, but she's also thinking mostly of how unfair life is being to her.
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