Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Questions for Volume the First (through Chapter 18)

Firstly, I want to give a shout-out to the lovely Presbytera Kathy!
I was delighted to win her drawing and received a set of her beautiful cards – you can purchase them here and thanks again!

A bit about Jane Austen
(I want to be sure that the questions don’t feed into blogreaders so there aren’t any spoilers - let me know if this is appreciated or annoying, thanks!)

Jane Austen, one of England’s foremost novelists, was never publicly acknowledged as a writer during her lifetime. She was born on December 16, 1775, at Steventon Rectory in Hampshire, the seventh child of a country clergyman and his wife, George and Cassandra Austen. She was primarily educated at home, benefiting from her father’s extensive library and the schoolroom atmosphere created by Mr. Austen’s live-in pupils. Her closest friend was her only sister, Cassandra, almost three years her senior.

Though Austen lived a quiet life, she had unusual access to the greater world, primarily through her brothers. Francis (Frank) and Charles, officers in the Royal Navy, served on ships around the world and saw action in the Napoleonic Wars. Henry, who eventually became a clergyman like his father and his brother James, was an officer in the militia and later a banker. Austen visited Henry in London, where she attended the theater, art exhibitions, and social events and also corrected proofs of her novels. Her brother Edward was adopted by wealthy cousins, the Knights, becoming their heir and later taking their name. On extended visits to Godmersham, Edward’s estate in Kent, Austen and her sister took part in the privileged life of the landed gentry, which is reflected in all her fiction.

As a child Austen began writing comic stories, now referred to as the Juvenilia. Her first mature work, composed when she was about 19, was a novella, Lady Susan, written in epistolary form (as a series of letters). This early fiction was preserved by her family but was not published until long after her death.
In her early twenties Austen wrote the novels that later became Sense and Sensibility (first called “Elinor and Marianne”) and Pride and Prejudice (originally “First Impressions”). Her father sent a letter offering the manuscript of “First Impressions” to a publisher soon after it was finished in 1797, but his offer was rejected by return post. Austen continued writing, revising “Elinor and Marianne” and completing a novel called “Susan” (later to become Northanger Abbey). In 1803 Austen sold “Susan” for £10 to a publisher, who promised early publication, but the manuscript languished in his archives until it was repurchased a year before Austen’s death for the price the publisher had paid her.

When Austen was 25 years old, her father retired, and she and Cassandra moved with their parents to Bath, residing first at 4 Sydney Place. During the five years she lived in Bath (1801-1806), Austen began one novel, The Watsons, which she never completed. After Mr. Austen’s death, Austen’s brothers contributed funds to assist their sisters and widowed mother. Mrs. Austen and her daughters set up housekeeping with their close friend Martha Lloyd. Together they moved to Southampton in 1806 and economized by sharing a house with Frank and his family.

In 1809 Edward provided the women a comfortable cottage in the village of Chawton, near his Hampshire manor house. This was the beginning of Austen’s most productive period. In 1811, at the age of 35, Austen published Sense and Sensibility, which identified the author as “a Lady.” Pride and Prejudice followed in 1813, Mansfield Park in 1814, and Emma in 1815. The title page of each book referred to one or two of Austen’s earlier novels—capitalizing on her growing reputation—but did not provide her name. Austen began writing the novel that would be called Persuasion in 1815 and finished it the following year, by which time, however, her health was beginning to fail. The probable cause of her illness was Addison’s Disease. In 1816 Henry Austen repurchased the rights to “Susan,” which Austen revised and renamed “Catherine.”

During a brief period of strength early in 1817, Austen began the fragment later called Sanditon, but by March she was too ill to work. On April 27 she wrote her will, naming Cassandra as her heir. In May she and Cassandra moved to 8 College Street in Winchester to be near her doctor. Austen died in the early hours of July 18, 1817, and a few days later was buried in Winchester Cathedral. She was 41 years old. Interestingly, Austen’s gravestone, which is visited by hundreds of admirers each year, does not even mention that she was an author.
Persuasion and Northanger Abbey were published together in December 1817 with a “Biographical Notice” written by Henry, in which Jane Austen was, for the first time in one of her novels, identified as the author of Sense and Sensibility, Pride and Prejudice, Mansfield Park, and Emma.

Jane Austen’s novels have never been out of print and are often included on lists of readers’ favorites. Her surviving letters are also a source of entertainment and biographical information (Jane Austen’s Letters, edited by Deirdre Le Faye, Oxford University Press, 1995). Maps of real and fictional places in Austen’s novels are available on this site.


On to the questions:
1) What are your impressions of the character of Emma as we begin, and of the readability of the book?
2)Emma’s father is contrasted to Emma several times (my introduction alludes to him being “old before his time” ) what purpose does this contrast serve, and what do you think about his character, and the character of Emma’s sister, Isabella, who is introduced as being more like Mr. Woodhouse.
3) In Chapter 4 we are treated to the creation of Harriet’s quarto. What are the subtleties and subtexts of this quarto?
4) In Chapter 5 Emma says, “I have none of the usual inducements of women to marry. Were I to fall in love, indeed, it would be a different thing; but I never have been in love: it is not my way, or my nature; and I do not think I ever shall. And, without love, I am sure I should be a fool to change such a situation as mine. Fortune I do not want; employment I do not want; consequence I do not want: I believe few married women are half as much mistress of their husband’s house as I am of Hartfield; and never, never could I expect to be so truly beloved and important; so always first and always right in any man’s eyes as I am in my father’s” (page 76 of my edition) - what do you think this passage tells us about Emma’s character?
5) Emma completely misreads Mr. Elton’s intentions and fails in her quest to set him up with Harriet. What were your thoughts and what did this tell us about Emma, Mr. Elton, and Harriet? (Chapter 13)
6) We end this section with an argument between Emma and Mr. Knightly. What stage is this scene setting?

I will answer in the comments!

12 Comments:

At 5:02 PM , Blogger Mimi said...

What are your impressions of the character of Emma as we begin, and of the readability of the book?
I am finding “Emma” to be a very quick and absorbing read – quicker than “Pride and Prejudice” was for me. I am also finding that I like the character more than I was expected to.

Emma’s father is contrasted to Emma several times
I thought it was an interesting contrast – and then when it was mentioned that Isabella had the more “delicate” constitution as well. I think that it in a way illustrates that Emma was not raised with strict parenting, and I also think that part of Austen’s social commentary is that there was a class that could afford to have these types of constitutions.
In Chapter 4 we are treated to the creation of Harriet’s quarto. What are the subtleties and subtexts of this quarto? I was reminded of the Pickwick Papers scene in “Little Women” when I read this chapter. While I felt that a lot of the personalities of the characters was brought out in this interaction, I am also looking forward to some of the comments about this as I felt that there were things that were probably going over my head and I am hopeful that they get explained

In Chapter 5 Emma says... this was a most interesting quote – I felt that Austen laid out the plot plans for Emma here (and I may be wrong as to where I think it is going, I’ve never read the book) because whenever someone says, “I’ll NEVER” I’ve learned that they are just about to do so.
Emma completely misreads Mr. Elton’s intentions and fails in her quest to set him up with Harriet. I felt this was the most blatent scene of the “unintentional narcissism” up to this point. I think that Emma had hung her hat upon being a matchmaker after her governess’s marriage and was shocked to discover that she was more naive as to her ability to read people’s intentions and to influence behavior than she thought she was. It was a very funny scene (unintentionally, in a couple of places – words have definitely changed in meaning since this scene was written).
We end this section with an argument between Emma and Mr. Knightly. Clearly, I felt this scene is setting up a romance between Emma and Mr. Knightly. Her narcissism also came through in this scene a lot, as she was intentionally playing the “other side” to get Mr. Knightly enraged.

 
At 8:29 PM , Anonymous Grace said...

1 - Emma: I think that starting out with telling of her lonely situation and her good spirits under the circumstances helps give you some real sympathy for her. Which is just as well, since you need that sympathy as the book goes on and her foibles appear.
Readability -- I'm finding it a fast read as well. The only other one I've read is Northanger Abbey; this one is better done.

2 - Father & sister -- I thought the same thing about both, I think. Which was that they were just excuses for Austen to present neurotic people, and she does it very well. They're very funny, where in real life they'd be very tiresome. But since Emma doesn't exhibit ANY of their fussiness and gentle idiocy, I think that Austen is making fun of their sort of people, but in a rather affectionate way.

3 - The quarto riddle book -- That doesn't happen in my copy until Chapter 9. I wonder if they redid the book? Mine's an old copy.

Anyway, it seems a little incongruous that Harriet's hobby is something that sounds so clever and literary. It sets up the fun mixup with Mr. Elton's riddle, but other than this time, I'm not sure that we get any indication of Harriet being anything but sweet and simple-minded. And since she's not even smart enough to figure out Elton's riddle (which I wouldn't have either), it seems funny that she would want to do a book of riddles.

4 - The mix-up with Emma, Mr. Elton and Harriet: We get to see the tumble that we all knew Emma was going to take. Her matchmaking was so pronounced and her dismissal of objections so easy that we all saw the writing on the wall except poor Emma. So we already knew that she's manipulative (and not always in a benign way), and here we see that on the whole she recovers well and keeps the upper hand. Mr. Elton finally reveals himself to be more calculating and snobbish than we had suspected. And Harriet just seems, as always, like a good egg whose only fault is to be much too impressionable.

5 - The argument about Frank Churchill: We had already seen that Emma forms quick opinions about people (which are usually wrong) and is good-tempered, and that Mr. Knightly makes more discerning assessments of people, but is a trifle harsh and judgmental. So the new element in this argument is that anger on Mr. Knightly's side that you feel any young woman ought to make note of. But then, as through all the chapters of her unwitting encouragement of Mr. Elton, Austen's joke seems to be that Emma considers herself able to know every subtlety of people's thoughts and intentions and yet doesn't see what's right in front of her face.

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BTW, here's a question of mine -- do we think we'll ever get a first name for this Mr. Knightly? His brother is always Mr. John Knightly, but I can't remember if we ever hear his first name. Kind of funny, that.

(Trying to remember Cher's stepbrother's name in Clueless, to see if it's similar. In Bridget Jones' Diary, one of the tip-off's that it was an allegory for Pride & Prejudice was that the love interest in both was was Mr. Darcy.)

 
At 8:36 PM , Anonymous Grace said...

Side comment: Do you know why Austen's books were published for so long with no name? If it was considered scandalous for women to write, I would think they wouldn't use "A Lady" as the pen name. Just wondered if anyone knew.

 
At 9:33 AM , Blogger Mimi said...

Ooooh, Grace, I have thoughts I'll flesh out in a bit on your comments, but on this: do we think we'll ever get a first name for this Mr. Knightly?
I thought at Christmas, it was revealed it was George. Am I misremembering that?

 
At 11:04 AM , Blogger Unknown said...

I am just checking in here, Mimi, though I am not reading along. I am just super impressed with your motivation and dedication to reading! Super impressed. You are my kind of woman! Too bad you live so far away from me and don't attend my parish because we can't talk books more often (I would probably corner you so maybe you wouldn't like that!). This past weekend I traveled and attended another parish, and I got some wonderful book suggestions. There are a few readers in my parish, but most of them are not like you in the sheer quantity and kind of books they. But then I know you are not the norm--you read over 50 books a year if I recall correctly. I can't wait to see your list of books you read this past year.

By the way, do you ever read an Orthodox theological book or some other religious book during the fasting seasons? Just curious.

 
At 5:12 PM , Blogger Marsha said...

sorry, I'm not quite up to speed yet, I'll catch up and post. Though I ditto Mimi's impressions a lot, so I'll have to find something original to say :-)

 
At 7:18 PM , Anonymous Grace said...

Mimi:
You're right. I missed it completely but I just Googled it, and that's the name. Funny how rare that anyone ever calls him that.

 
At 7:58 PM , Blogger Belladonna said...

LOVE reading your thoughts about this book. Pride and Prejudice is the ONLY Jane Austin book I've ever read. I've got others on my stack right now, but this makes me think I'll want to pick up Emma as well....so many books, so little time. Sigh.

 
At 6:47 PM , Blogger Sarah in Indiana said...

1) Well, I love Austen, and I haven't read Emma in a long time, so I'm finding it very readable. The chapters are so short, I find myself thinking "just one more" again and again and then I've spent far more time with the book than I intended. Emma is not my favorite of Austen's characters, but she's very real. She's a snob and a dilettante, but one does feel that she has good intentions.
2)I feel like Emma manages her father and has basically free range to do as she likes. He dotes on her, and as long as she humors him she can do no wrong, which helps inflate her sense of self. Austen uses the quirks of her characters very humorously. The bowl of gruel thing cracks me up.
3)I think that Harriet creates the quarto under Emma's influence is one of Austen's little jibes at Emma. Emma flatters herself that she is an improving and educational influence on Harriet, but whats the main project she leads her on? Writing a joke book.
4) Well, we already know that Emma is kind of a pampered Daddy's girl. I think this passage also displays the transactional view that people had of marriage of the time. It's interesting that *because* Emma views marriage as a means of improving ones fortune and position, she sees no inducement for her to marry other than love. Which is a pretty unromantic position, actually. She's already very satisfied with her position, and she doesn't really seem willing to marry for love if it means a reduction in status or wealth.
5) Of course we all see this coming except Emma, which is fun for the reader. Mr. Elton misreads Emma just as she misreads him, and doesn't come off sympathetically despite being a spurned lover. They're both using each other and poor Harriet gets caught in the middle.
6)I agree with both Mimi and Grace's comments here.
I think in this scene we see that Mr. Knightly is Emma's most important male relationship, and I think sparring is always a tip-off for possible romance in the future.

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Mr. John Knightly is called so as the younger brother to distinguish him from Mr. Knightly. It's very much a status thing that no one calls Mr. Knightly by his first name. A related thing that is so amusing to me is that Harriet calls Emma Miss Woodhouse (dear, dear Miss Woodhouse) but Emma calls Harriet by her first name. They're close friends, but their social status is so different that Emma doesn't deign to permit Harriet to call her by her first name. (Though she insists Harriet is a gentlewoman and too superior to marry Mr. Martin)

 
At 8:45 AM , Blogger Lauren S. said...

Sarah - the names are so fascinating to me. And if you remember further into the book, a certain someone calls one of the other characters something rather informal much to Emma's vexation. (I don't think this ruins anything - at least I hope not!) So hilarious.

The formalities remind me of a scene from When Harry Met Sally, when Sally is annoyed with younger women introducing themselves with only their first names. She says something like, "It's like an entire generation of cocktail waitresses."

I am enjoying everyone's comments!

 
At 12:42 PM , Blogger Mimi said...

Grace - this Which is just as well, since you need that sympathy as the book goes on and her foibles appear. made me laugh out loud. Very true, I like the establishment of her character.

Her matchmaking was so pronounced and her dismissal of objections so easy that we all saw the writing on the wall except poor Emma. So we already knew that she's manipulative (and not always in a benign way), and here we see that on the whole she recovers well and keeps the upper hand. I like this point as well – it is very character revealing, as well as being a bit of a humorous interlude.

The Quatro could be chapter 9, I’m not that fantastic on Roman numerals, blush.

Ali Ali, thank you so much for the sweet compliment! I would also love to be in your parish and talk books! And, yes, I do read Orthodox theological books during fasting times as well, although truth be told, I don’t have one in the “to read” pile at this time. I’ll have to dig through and see if I can find one.

Sarah - I find myself thinking "just one more" again and again and then I've spent far more time with the book than I intended I’m finding the same thing, grin! I’ve just finished Volume Two (questions in a bit) and am into Volume Three. It is really readable and enjoyable.

OOooooh, Emma flatters herself that she is an improving and educational influence on Harriet, but whats the main project she leads her on? Writing a joke book. Very, very good point. I didn’t quite look at it in that light, but it’s very true, and a good point in the Mean Girls type of way.

I also really like your point about the etiquette of Mr. Knightly being always Mr. Knightly, I figured it was a differentiation thing, but I realize that you are right.

I also am pulling for Harriet to marry Mr. Martin, I think he was a good match for her.

Lauren Yes! I have to admit that some of societal niceties like that I missed, but it is very good to contemplate them.

I am really enjoying this discussion! Thank you, thank you!

 
At 7:55 PM , Blogger Marsha said...

1. What are your impressions of the character of Emma as we begin, and of the readability of the book?

This book always stands out as one of my favorites! It is in the most restricted area and yet has the most "modern" feel. And I love watching Emma grow up, which she does in the book, rather quickly.

2.Emma’s father is contrasted to Emma several times

I think that it shows how she got the inflated idea of herself, and why she can run things herself. Indeed, why marry? I see her point.

3. In Chapter 4 we are treated to the creation of Harriet’s quarto. What are the subtleties and subtexts of this quarto

I didn't see the point, except perhaps to have Austen poke a bit of fun at the two of them.

4.In Chapter 5 Emma says...

Absolutely! that was a HUGE clue, an "insider joke" if you will to us the readers to "watch out". It also lended credence to her supposed alliances after that.

5.Emma completely misreads Mr. Elton’s intentions and fails in her quest to set him up with Harriet.

Clear case of seeing what you want to, you know? I truly felt bad for Harriet and she isn't worth feeling much bad for. It was fun though, blind headstrong Emma, breaking her shoe lace and all that!

6. We end this section with an argument between Emma and Mr. Knightly.

I think this scene is where Emma starts to see what her automatic reaction to disagree with Knightley does, and that it is demeaning to both of them. And sets her on the path to maturation.

 

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