“Your Invited” said the card on the table when I came home. The internal hue and cry that I pitched (and, sadly, a bit of an external hue and cry as well) was amazing – who made the invitation, why didn’t they check that, yada, yada, yada. A great example of not seeing the forest for the trees. I don’t share this embarrassment as a discussion of my besetting sins, or as a comment on how amazing the sacrament of Confession is (although both are true) but to discuss the results of my Myers-Briggs test, discussed by Gina recently.
Extraverted 26% Introverted74%
Sensing 95% Intuition 5%
Thinking 47% Feeling 53%
Judging 63% Perceiving 37%
ISFJs are characterized above all by their desire to serve others, their "need to be needed." In extreme cases, this need is so strong that standard give-and-take relationships are deeply unsatisfying to them; however, most ISFJs find more than enough with which to occupy themselves within the framework of a normal life."
The part about judging (63%) is stated as such:
Judging (J)
Judging is the preference outwardly displayed. Judging does not mean "judgmental". Judging people like order, organization and think sequentially. They like to have things planned and settled. Judging people seek closure.
Judging Characteristics
• Decisive
• Controlled
• Good at finishing
• Organized
• Structured
• Scheduled
• Quick at tasks
• Responsible
• Likes closure
• Makes plans
While I can definitely see that in my personality as well, I can see a strong streak of judgmentalism as well. And, as I definitely agree with the rich inner world (probably partly because of my high sensing score) mentioned, I do have this conversation in my head “step back, don’t rush to judgment, and see more of the situation”. Eddie often reminds me that people have a hard time overcoming my initial snap-judgment of them. It must be more amusing externally. Unlike Gina and her love, I don’t know what Eddie is, but I’d suspect he is more perceiving than I.
ISFJs have a rich inner world that is not usually obvious to observers. They constantly take in information about people and situations that is personally important to them, and store it away. This tremendous store of information is usually startlingly accurate, because the ISFJ has an exceptional memory about things that are important to their value systems. It would not be uncommon for the ISFJ to remember a particular facial expression or conversation in precise detail years after..."
One thing that I was fascinated with was that both Gina and Laura mentioned that they have been in situations where they have changed their types a bit (college, early motherhood). I wonder if there is an arc that we take over our lives of moving across the lines as we compile information and experiences.
Another thing I thought was neat was that FDR commented that he didn’t see me as an Introvert. I have to admit, if I were to be asked, I’d put myself pretty much in the middle – I do find that I enjoy solitude, and I think that my strong preference for reading makes me seek out a quiet spot a lot, but I also am very chatty, and talk to people I meet along the way – at coffee hour, at the office, in lines at the grocery store, in social situations. A friend of mine once mentioned that you can tell a true “I” by the fact that they come home exhausted from a cocktail party, which I do not. So, I wonder how that skews so?
I look forward to thoughts on this topic, as I find it endlessly fascinating.
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I think I mentioned somewhere (Gina's blog) that I am ISFP. Almost the same as you. The negatives I see in Perceiving is that we (I) sometimes perceive the negative. "They don't really like me."... "What they really meant was...." We look at the subtleties that lie beneath and sometimes misread.
Of course, just because I'm not labeled "judging" by a test doesn't mean I don't still pass judgment upon my brother with abandon. I am often running the prayer of St. Ephraim over in my mind to remind myself not to. Lord have mercy on me a sinner!
These things are kind of fun aren't they. It's neat to find out what your "personality type" is and how it affects (effects?, I never remember which word is correct) the way you see yourself.
I'm exhausted after cocktail parties. In fact, if I look at my calendar and see that I have a lot of social obligations, I start to feel overwhelmed...weird, huh?
I think I first took the Meyers Briggs in college, back in the early 1970s. Every time that I took it since then (a number of times), I was still an INTJ. A few years ago I took it again, and each time since then, I was an INTP. This is not a major change, but it is a change nonetheless. I can see a big change in me over the last five years which coincides in the change from judging to perceiving.
I, too, am exhausted by lots of people. When I go to a party, I put on my party face, but when I go home, I crash. Lots of people suck all the energy right out of me. I need a lot of quiet - I've always been that way, even as a child.
These things are so much fun.... I do every meme, take every quiz. I think I'm addicted!
I tested to be an ISFJ too. I got pretty freaked about the 'J' part. But, reading your description makes me feel a little better! Actually, I read on that thing (I had to jump on the bandwagon with Gina and FDR and take the test) that Mother Teresa is an ISFJ so now I'm totally relieved. Shewwww. . .
I've taken the MB indicator a lot. The hubster is trained to give the test and evaluate the results.
The first time I took it 20 years ago I was off the charts "J" and "E." I can never remember the other two!
Now I am far to the right "I" which really surprised me. I enjoy cocktail parties and coffee hour when I *know* the people and come home jazzed. But of late, I much prefer to stay and home, hole up with a cup of tea and say "leave me alone!"
The "J" moves depending in where I am in my depression. The more depressed I feel, the strong the "J" because I feel safe when things are orderly and I know what is going on when/where/how and why.
Just a few thoughts.
Your being an "I" surprises me too! You come across in cyber-land very social and outgoing.
Oooh now I have to take the test. I do, however, believe that the results will change depending on where you are in life. Just yesterday, my mom was telling me about her favorite book, which is a 4-volume saga about the whole life of a woman, from childhood to deathbed, and my mom has read and re-read it in different stages of her life (teenager, marriage, children, 50s), and every time, she understood it in a totally different way, as if it was a different book. So of course perspective changes, so the results are likely to change as well.
Very interesting analysis, too.
H - yep, you, me, Mother Teresa, grin!
EP - I totally agree about books changing as we change, because we bring so much of who we are to them.
And, Laura, with your high "I", I am not surprised at all to see that you feel that way about social obligations.
Very good point, Deb about the P personality.
That's awesome, Cheery that you have sensed a change, and have had it reflected in your testing.
Thanks for weighing in!
Philippa - That's a very good point abou the "J" side, and I fight depression issues too, and can see that when I am in a funk, I need that order too.
I'd love to hear your Dh discuss this topic, as I don't know much about it!
I don't believe any of these personality test things. They are just tools to help "society's" planners and controllers plan and control people. Big groups are easier to heard than individuals. All of this stuff cameabout in the late 1800's through mid 1900s the era of Marx, Weber, Lenin, and Hitler. If we are letting Christ live through us these people controling systems are nothing.
wow. I'd have to go try to find the one I took way back when.
Or retake it.
You are right, this is fascinating stuff!
INFJ for me...
Like Philippa, the I appears to be more my preference than reality..or how others see me. I do like time alone. A lot of it. And I am comnfortable with it, which probably explains it. J and depression: perhaps they go together to as Philippa wrote.
Now you're in MY neighborhood! I've taught private and graduate school seminars on the MBTI for years! Even worked with Consulting Psych for a bit in my early years...
First...introverted does not by any means relate to you being a quiet,shy withdrawn person...but rather how you process information...internally. You think before you open your mouth...formulating your thoughts first.
Here's another tidbit: you are actually ALL of the characteristics to one degree or another. Consider the characteristics as you would 'handedness"...Say you are right hand dominant..Butyou can still use your left hand. Maybe not a s well, but you CAN...Same goes for E,I,N,F,T, S,P,J.
Now..If I can remember..I'll send you another tidbit of info related to the development of the MBTI and one study that was done in the late 70's early 80's...Fascinating stuff!!
Bye-the-way...ENFJ
My husband is also "trained" to give this "test," since he is a practicing psychologist. We took the personality inventory about 20 years ago and discovered that I am an ISTJ and he is an INFJ. It was very enlightening for me to find that others actually think, reason, and perceive the world in different ways. For instance, I was astounded and fascinated to learn that my INFJ husband perceives time "all at once," i.e. the past, present, and future "occur" all at once and must be in accord with one another. On the other hand, I as an ISTJ perceive time logically and linearly, and the past, present, and future don't necessarily have to be "in accord" with one another since I recognize that change can and does occur. There is no such thing as "linear time" in my dh's mind.
Yes, it is fascinating stuff, and IMO these sorts of statistically reliable and valid "tests," or "inventories," can help employers fit employees to jobs and projects, can help teachers know how to present their lessons, can even help individuals learn more about their own interpersonal interactions with loved ones and so make that relationship richer.
very interesting thread Mimi, my DH just made the comment the other day that he had gotten more judgemental since he married me - :( we had a long convo about it ...thanks for sharing this!
I am completely judgemental!
I want to take this test but not sure I would want to know the results, it may not be pretty.
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