Book Three – Waiting for Death. The discussions of Book One and Two are still posted. I also wanted to mention there is no obligation to answer all of the questions, skipping is allowed!
1) In Chapter 24, we read about Mrs. Garth: Certainly, the exemplary Mrs. Garth had her droll aspects, but her character sustained her oddities, as a very fine wine sustains a flavour of skin. Towards Fred Vincy she had a motherly feeling, and had always been disposed to excuse his errors, though she would probably not have excused Mary for engaging herself to him, her daughter being included in that more rigorous judgment which she applied to her own sex. But this very fact of her exceptional indulgence towards him made it the harder to Fred that he must now inevitably sink in her opinion.
Discuss her feelings towards Fred, the predicament Fred has gotten himself into, and how it affect his relationship with Mary and her parents.
2) In Chapter 27, Rosamond and Lydgate find a deepening relationship: Talk about the weather and other well-bred topics is apt to seem a hollow device, and behaviour can hardly become easy unless it frankly recognizes a mutual fascination -- which of course need not mean anything deep or serious. This was the way in which Rosamond and Lydgate slid gracefully into ease, and made their intercourse lively again. Visitors came and went as usual, there was once more music in the drawing-room, and all the extra hospitality of Mr. Vincy's mayoralty returned. Lydgate, whenever he could, took his seat by Rosamond's side, and lingered to hear her music, calling himself her captive -- meaning, all the while, not to be her captive.
What are your thoughts on their relationship, and on Eliot’s descriptions?
3) Dorothea is pondering in her room in Chapter 28 …here at last she saw something which had gathered new breath and meaning: it was the miniature of Mr. Casaubon's aunt Julia, who had made the unfortunate marriage -- of Will Ladislaw's grandmother. Dorothea could fancy that it was alive now -- the delicate woman's face which yet had a head-strong look, a peculiarity difficult to interpret. Was it only her friends who thought her marriage unfortunate? or did she herself find it out to be a mistake, and taste the salt bitterness of her tears in the merciful silence of the night? What breadths of experience Dorothea seemd to have passed over since she first looked at this miniature! She felt a new companionship with it, as if it had an ear for her and could see how she was looking at it. Here was a woman who had known some difficulty about marriage...
At the end of the chapter, Celia has announced her engagement to James. Contrast the two relationships, as well as Dorothea’s identification with Ladislaw’s grandmother.
4) Eliot breaks the fourth wall (is that still the term in a book?) in Chapter 29 For my part I am very sorry for him. It is an uneasy lot at best, to be what we call highly taught and yet not to enjoy: to be present at this great spectacle of life and never to be liberated from a small hungry shivering self -- never to be fully possessed by the glory we behold, never to have our consciousness rapturously transformed into the vividness of a thought, the ardour of a passion, the energy of an action, but always to be scholarly and uninspired, ambitious and timid, scrupulous and dim-sighted. Becoming a dean or even a bishop would make little difference, I fear, to Mr Casaubon's uneasiness
What are your thoughts about this literary device Eliot uses? Does it change your opinion of Casaubon’s character? What do you think of the crisis he is finding himself in, do you relate
5) During Featherstone’s illness, Lydgate and Rosamond become engaged, and Mr. Vincy gives his consent to the marriage (at the end of Chapter 31)
What do you think about the contrast between the end of a life and the beginning of a life together, and do you think it was a good decision to marry? As they approach marriage, are they more or less realistic than the Casaubons? Do you think it will be a happy marriage?
6) Featherstone dies at the end of Chapter 33 "with his right hand clasping the keys, and his left hand lying on the heap of notes and gold."
What do you think about his death scene, and what is going to be revealed in his will?
7) My standard last question goes here: Is there any quote, chapter, or scene that I missed?
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1)I was so sad when Fred got the Garths involved in his financial mess, and I can relate to Mrs. Garth’s feelings of motherliness towards Fred – I definitely think of some of my kids’ friends with fondness, even when they goof up. I thought that Fred’s knowing that she thought fondly of him gave him a layer of (deserved) guilt about his actions. I also thought the thing about her not excusing Mary’s behavior if they got engaged to be interesting – that she has a “boys will be boys” attitude towards Fred, but would have a hard time extending that privilege to Mary.
2) I think that I am particularly disposed to like Lydgate or something, but I loved the description of their deepening relationship – I think also because I like Rosamond as well. I love the line , calling himself her captive -- meaning, all the while, not to be her captive.
- it’s so sweet.
3) Ladislaw’s grandmother is seen as having had something horrible befall her – but there is, wrapped up in it, an attitude by Casaubon that her unhappy marriage was due to a moral failing within her (it’s so very Puritian). I think that it is an interesting thing for Dorothea to be relating to her, because I suspect that she feels (and I suspect rightly) that Casaubon has the same opinion of her. I think that Deb nailed it when she said that James and Dorothea would have been a bad match, but I think he is a good match with Celia.
4)I was surprised when Eliot used this technique, and I think that this aside is meant to gather some sympathy for Casaubon. Prior to this, most of his actions have been so thoroughly stuffy, especially in his behavior towards Dorothea, that this is a glimpse of the fact that part of his failings is the fact that his life’s work is a dead-end, and he is realizing it. It is also wrapped up in the fact that he saw Dorothea as a piece of this life’s work puzzle, and she doesn’t fit into the space he keeps trying to shove her in to anymore than his worldview is fitting.
5) I do think that the Lydgate marriage will be happy. I think that one of the reasons that Middlemarch is such a wonderful, sprawling novel is that it brings together so many stories. And, how many times in our own life is there great joy happening at the same time as great sorrow? I think it is well drawn.
6)What a horribly sad ending for Featherstone – his entire way of relating to people is the way that he is playing one person off of another for a spot in his will, and he dies grasping the money that will fade away and no longer offer him anything. I was reminded of the verses in Matthew 6 9"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:19-21&version=NIV)
7)One thing that I am really learning about this book, and enjoying, is that for some reason I had it in my head that each section would be about a different family or social strata of Middlemarch, something like a Maeve Binchy (http://www.maevebinchy.com)
novel. I didn’t realize that the characters would all be interacting and we’d be getting their story unfolding. I enjoy it very much, it is just an interesting contrast in my expectations vs. the reality.
I love the Garths, and found them to be the characters I most relate to in the book so far. She's known Fred for so long, and he has endeared himself to them, so you can see why she would be so disappointed in him. It's bad enough that they have a money problem now because of him, but to be so hurt by someone you genuinely love is very sad. It makes the match of Fred and Mary seem even more difficult and unlikely.
2. I enjoy reading this little love story as well...I like Lydgate too and I figured from reading that he had not planned on marrying for years, meant that of course he was going to find himself falling for the beautiful Rosamond. So often in life we make our little plans or pacts with ourselves and the inevitably end up being broken. And I love how Rosamond has so whole-heartedly fallen for him even without any solid promise or delaration of love from him...Just like a girl!
3. I thought this was so sad. Poor girl, taking consolation from a miniature of a woman who had gone through something similar as Dorothea. She is so miserable, and I feel so sorry for her. I was hoping the waiting for death title of this book was going to include Casaubon as well. :(
4. It was like Eliot had to do SOMETHING to make us feel the least bit of sympathy for Casaubon. And it works just enough to make you think - poor soul - he's miserable too! But then you kind of realize, no matter what, he'd always be miserable...
5. I love how Lydgate comes to the place where he falls head over heels for Rosamond. GUSH!! And it was a nice contrast to the death of course. I HOPE they will be happy, but I'm slightly concerned that money is going to be a problem. I have the overwhelming sense that the happy ever after is not quite there...we shall see!
6. ACK! Mr. Featherstone, he's such a crochety old man, lording over his money, controlling, OH how awful he was. And his death was just like him. Poor Mary, a part of me wanted her to take the money, but I knew she was too good and noble. I think the will will be disappointing, and I find myself worried for Fred, whose luck has been not the greatest...And since we have quite a bit of story left! :)
1)I just felt sick to my stomach about it when Fred forced his debt on the Garths. I don't know if I would have taken the situations nearly as well as Mrs. Garth did. I think I would have reacted a little more like Mary. He took advantage of them completely unthinkingly, and I hope the relationship serves him so that he learns his lesson from it. I love that Mary has such a realistic view of him--she cares about him despite his flaws. I wonder if he will be able to overcome them so that he can come to deserve her.
2) I was amused with Eliot's descrription of their relationship, and I kept thinking that Rosamunde was being led on by Lydgate. I was really quite surprised when he proposed. I think it was funny that he did so after keeping himself away from the house--turns out he was in deeper than he thought!
3) Dorothea's bond with the unhappily married grandmother is kind of poignant. I find her marriage so sad because the two are just ill-suited to one another--actually I'm not sure Casaubon's really cut out for marriage at all. I don't think that Dorothea's idea of marriage would be like was an unrealistic or unattainable one, it just wasn't attainable with Casaubon. I don't have a real feel for what Celia expects out of her marriage, but she and Sir. Chettam seem much better matched, and she knows him much better than Dorothea knew Casaubon, so the prospects seem much brighter.
4) The thoughts of the author didn't really change my opinion of the character. They were already similar to mine. For me I felt she had already conveyed this image of Casaubon through his actions and the opinions of the other characters, so I didn't feel like it was necessary, but it sounds like maybe other readers dislike him too much to feel sorry for him, so maybe it is a useful device. :)
5) I don't really think they are any more realistic about their marriage than the Casaubons. I don't think they actually know each other much better, but they do at least enjoy each other's company, which is more than one could say for the Casaubons. They seem to be rushing in based on romantic feelings which isn't necessarily enough to sustain a marriage in the long run.
6) This whole thing seemed completely in character for Featherstone. Mainly I feel totally in suspense about what's going to happen with the two wills, now! I assume they'll say different things, so that's going to cause problems. I'm wondering if it's going to turn out badly for Mary that she wouldn't do as he asked, or if it will turn out she was wise to keep out of it.
7) I think you're doing a really nice job of covering the important points!
@Lauren - I think you have hit on something with Rosamond, good job. I totally missed it, but I do agree that there are financial stresses.
I agree that Casaubon is a miserable character, and would be married or not.
@Sarah - it is interesting that both you and Lauren picked up on the undercurrent of Lydgate and Rosamond's relationship that just went sailing over my head. Sigh.
I agree, the whole affair with Fred and bringing the Garths into his financial issues was so sad.
Thank you!!!! You are too sweet.
Looved reading this thanks
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